Duh! I’ve been saying this on here and getting called a Nazi as a result. First, censorsing & criminalizing free speech is fasscist behavior. But it is also causes those groups to grow.
Are you talking about Germany’s ban on fascist symbols and Holocaust denial?
If so, calling that “fascist behavior” is the dumbest shit I’ve heard in a while. Seriously below “what happened to the tolerant left” level.
I believe he’s talking about Germany not allowing critique on war crimes and mass murder if perpetrated by Israel.
No censorship of speech has always been liberal. /s Also its kidna funny how eastern european countries now have stronger foundations of liberal democracy than germany, since statements like “from the river to the sea” are not criminalized as antisemitic.
For something to be “criminalized”, it needs to be criminal. Antisemitism isn’t a crime in Germany, so branding something as such might be propaganda but has no legal consequences.
Ah sorry I believe that in Germany they call it incitement to hate or something like that, which is criminal.
edit: from a very quick search I found this http://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/8/6/german-court-fines-woman-for-from-the-river-to-the-sea-chant which meand that by this judicature it is directly criminal. Also this source https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1699528989-berlin-criminalizes-slogan-from-the-river-to-the-sea-palestine-will-be-free. But here I dont know how reliable this source is
They’ve went further than that & now it is criticism of Israel as well. Moreso, despite those things representing a dark history, if someone cosplays as a Nazi or thinks Hitler didn’t murder 6 million, or whatever number they are at now, as long as they aren’t there being violent (which is already criminal) then arresting them because of thought crimes is fascist behavior. The censorship as well has only emboldened those ideas. When you lock people up for speaking about something then those ideas grow like cancer. People will believe they are legitimate ideas that the government is covering up. Don’t believe me or whatever, but don’t be surprised when you create a monster.
No, criticizing Israel is certainly 100% not illegal, what are you talking about. Being pro-Palestine isn’t illegal.
The only thing that’s even tangentially related and therefore might have been what you heard and misinterpreted is that Hamas flags have been added to the list of anti-constitutional banned symbols in Germany, so those are illegal. But clearly support for Hamas ≠ “criticizing Israel” lol
if someone cosplays as a Nazi or thinks Hitler didn’t murder 6 million […] then arresting them because of thought crimes is fascist behavior.
Hahahahaha no. It’s not “thought crimes” when you explicitly say through symbols: “I want Jews, disabled people, leftists, and traveling folk to be genozided”. Because that’s what that is. It’s not a thought when you wear it or carry it around.
The US “free speech absolutist” Musk and his hypocritical friends have gotten into your mind. Preventing intolerance isn’t intolerance in itself.
The only thing that’s even tangentially related and therefore might have been what you heard and misinterpreted is that Hamas flags have been added to the list of anti-constitutional banned symbols in Germany, so those are illegal. But clearly support for Hamas ≠ “criticizing Israel” lol
Okay but the facts disagree with you:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/world/europe/germany-pro-palestinian-protests.html
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/europe/europe-germany-hamas-crackdown-free-speech-intl/index.html
Hahahahaha no. It’s not “thought crimes” when you explicitly say through symbols: “I want Jews, disabled people, leftists, and traveling folk to be genozided”. Because that’s what that is. It’s not a thought when you wear it or carry it around. Because that’s what that is. It’s not a thought when you wear it or carry it around.
Right, just like posting a picture of Luigi from Super Mario Bros. now when talking about the oligarchy means you intend to kill CEOs and so you should be arrested whenever you display an image of Luigi. Publicly denying the Holocaust in Germany is a crime, that is how thought crimes work.
Even wearing a swastika or flying a Nazi flag doesn’t mean you’re a murderer or that you intend to murder people. Many modern Nazis don’t believe that 6 million Jews were murdered and that those were facts made up by powerful Jews, so to claim they intend to murder more people because of it is ridiculous when they don’t believe the murder happened. In fact, what I’ve seen recently online is a prevalence of people (what I am hopeful are mostly bot accounts) advocating for murdering & being violent against those who appear to be wearing Nazi symbolism or using some Nazi hand gesture, but who are being non-violent.
Everyone, even you has the potential to become violent. That doesn’t mean people should attack you because you have potential to become violent. That is not how free speech works and is fascist behavior.
I get it, giving the government the ability to randomly shift the boundaries of what’s considered a hate symbol can backfire if the government becomes fashy. We can see that in the US right now where they twist everything they can to make things happen that they want to happen, with no regard for process and how tools were supposed to be used.
But that’s historically not what happened with paragraph 86a, and I don’t see it happening without AfD coming into power. I might eat my words some day, but precedent has held strong with that one.
If you support Nazis then you literally support a party that wants to exterminate everyone else.
Hate speech isn’t covered under any free speech laws i don’t think.
German “center” was a pure advertisement for AfD. Even the supposed left parties were masisve genocide advocates.
This video is one of her mildest takes:
“Civilans lose their status if Hamas terrorists stay near them, and that’s the stand of Germany”
She calls the occupied resistance terrorists, and calls the genocidal colonizing aparthied their friends:
https://youtube.com/shorts/95buq0IF8tI
So ask Mrs. genocide lover, and baby-killing cheerleader Germany’s foreign minister Annalena Baerbock about how much joy it brings her to see civilians burn to death and children get ampuatated by German’s weapons. She and Olaf Scholtz and his wife and his whole government openly and repeatedly advocated, justified, and aided with billions in bombs for killing all civilians.
Yup
