Several niche, left-leaning gun advocacy groups said that since the killing of Alex Pretti by federal agents in Minneapolis, they can hardly keep up with the surging demand for firearms training.
With Donald Trump sending armed federal agents into communities around the country, even more once gun-shy liberals and leftists are considering getting armed.
And while Americans tend to think of gun owners as leaning more Republican and male, already more women, gay people and people of color have taken up arms in recent years, particularly after 2020.
I think I’m going to ask my grandpa to teach me about guns and how to shoot. He’s on a farm and has a gun for protecting his chickens.
Lucky for me, my grandpa hates Trump. He’s always been democratic. So I think he will understand why I’m asking.
I’ll probably get a rifle. Maybe if grandpa has an extra I’ll just borrow it. Practice at a local range.
I feel like this is a skill I need now. Never thought I would unless I got my own farm and chickens.
Owning a gun isn’t good enough on its own tho. I need to know how to use it. And how to be accurate with it. How to maintenance it.
But part of me is like. … If I ask grandpa to teach me. I’m admitting something about this country and myself that I don’t want to admit.
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That I need to protect myself/others because bad armed people are coming for us. -Thats terrifying
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That I am preparing to kill someone if need be. -equally terrifying.
There is a responsibility here that I’m not sure I’m ready to take on. But it’s better to be prepared than not to be prepared.
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If nothing else, target shooting is a lot of fun and you get a new hobby out of it.
I’m admitting something about this country and myself that I don’t want to admit.
Don’t feel bad, a lot of us have been down this road. I’ve done it several times.
We never stop learning difficult truths about the world around us.
I think the day you stop having these shifts in your attitude is the day you’ve finally stopped caring enough to actually self-examine, so it means you’re still alive and conscious if nothing else.
I hope if nothing else, you and your grandfather make memories together. We don’t always get to choose how and what kind of bonding memories we make with family, but take what you can when you can. It will be over soon enough.
They are terrifying things to admit to yourself. Hold on to that feeling, but train anyways. Because those thoughts will keep you from becoming like those republicans who gleefully wave their guns around and talk about shooting all the people they don’t like. And the training means you can protect yourself and others.
Guns are a tool that kills things, and so you never pick one up unless you intend to kill. But sometimes, regrettably, you have to.
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i got my gun license. told some of my friends about it and now they are suspicous that i’m secretly right wing.
you can’t win with this shit.
Allowing the enemy to be the only group who is armed and trained is not very bright position your friends are taking. A lot of leftist are armed because we know that all these threats that the right keeps making towards us are serious
i never said they were smart people. but where i live it’s a super common attitude and I am the weirdo.
To me guns are just tools. I think tool nuts are just as weird as gun nuts.
I know one guy who just collects expensive tools to oogle them and doesn’t even use them. He buys like $200 hammers.
Allowing the enemy to be the only group who is armed and trained is not very bright position your friends are taking. A lot of leftist are armed because we know that all these threats that the right keeps making towards us are serious
Something that may help is explaining that gun control policy originated as a means of disarming minorities, specifically black people.
Black Panthers in Oakland, CA would open carry and follow cops around whenever they came into black neighborhoods, in an attempt to curtail the rampant police brutality black people regularly endured. Naturally, a bunch of old white 2A-loving Republicans (including the fucking NRA) didn’t like that, and altogether signed off on the Mulford Act, the first major gun control legislation in the country, supported by “2A advocates” (read, in this instance: racists) for the sole purpose of better allowing police to terrorize black citizens.
I was once pretty strongly anti-gun too (less for political reasons and more because I saw a guy get his chest blown out at work when I was in my early 20s), but the knowledge that the true intention underpinning gun control and anti-gun legislation has always been to disarm and weaken marginalized communities changed my mind.
Not sure it will help with your friends, but idk. Worth a try maybe.
they don’t care about history, facts, or reality. just crude stereotypes that anyone who has a gun must be a trump supporter and how their anti-gun ignorance makes them morally superior. they have imaginary bullshit lines in their head. like if i bought a truck it would be the same ‘betrayal’ to them.
They don’t sound much like friends tbh. Sorry bud.
you can’t win with this shit.
The dirty truth of gun ownership is that the person you’re most likely to shoot is yourself. The second most likely person you’re going to shoot is someone who lives in the house with you. The odds of you firing a gun in self-defense, much less actually harming anyone, much less harming a federal official intent on arresting you, is vanishingly small.
People with bull horns and rape whistles are doing more to shut down ICE than anyone packing heat. The campaign to blast ICE agents with noise in their hotels has had an enormous impact on where these agents can operate and how enthusiastic they are to position themselves in a given metro area. People simply crowding out ICE in their cars has gone a long way to diminish their presence in Minneapolis, LA, and Portland.
Like, if you’re worried about your safety and you want to organize in community self-defense, you can do it. You can join mobilized groups ready to take the fight to ICE in a way that’s effective. But just shoving a .22 in your pocket and having fantasies of Rambo: First Blood isn’t going to cut it. Indulging in these fantasies does absolutely raise some red flags about your political persuasion.
The dirty truth of gun ownership is that the person you’re most likely to shoot is yourself.
Yes, and another dirty truth is that most guns are owned by Republican braindead buffoons. I just encountered a thread last night where every person was saying keeping a magazine loaded and a bullet chambered in your home is the obvious best practice. So color me unsurprised most of those braintrusts shoot themselves in the face.
So is driving a car. Is driving a car stupid and pointless then?
I got a gun because I want a gun. Just like I have a car because I want a car. I barely use my car, but it’s sure awesome to have one when I need it and a lot better to have it and not need it than to not have one at all.
I’m not campaigning against ICE. I am not under any delusions of grandeur here that my .22 pistol is going to stop what is going on. It’s for target shooting and being halfway decent when i go shoot guns with my family on the holidays.
Is driving a car stupid and pointless then?
If you can’t tell the difference between driving a car and firing a gun, you should be allowed to own neither.
they are both tools for a job.
you seem to think the only point of owning a gun is to commit violence against other people. you’re wrong.
you seem to think the only point of owning a gun is to commit violence
You talk about a gun like you plan to open your beer with it.
what is so mystical and magical about guns to you? that you think they are a special thing?
I can also murder people with kitchen knives, btw. plenty of domestic and non-domestic violence involves knives.
i have a non-chalant attitude towards guns because I’m familiar with them. i also have a dog. some people who don’t have dogs freak out around my dog because they are afraid of dogs.
what is so mystical and magical about guns to you?
Small tubes full of explosive shrapnel aren’t magic. They’re just hazardous when improperly owned and operated.
Multi-ton gas powered rolling steel boxes are also hazardous when improperly owned and operated. That’s why we have all these standards for licensure, ownership, and use.
I can also murder people with kitchen knives, btw.
Sure. People are fragile. You can crush someone’s windpipe with your bare hands.
I don’t think your ability to do this manually should encourage anyone to stock up on machines that do it rapidly at long range.
If you suggested everyone should show up at an ICE detention center wearing hockey masks and waving meat clevers, I would tell you this is a bad idea. If you suggested everyone should sleep with a kitchen knife under their pillows, because it would keep them safe from a SWAT raid, I would strongly disagree.
You’re pitching individualist solutions to a broad social problem. There is nothing you can purchase retail that will remove ICE from your neighborhood. And there are hazards that come with gun ownership that you seem deeply invested in ignoring.
some people who don’t have dogs freak out around my dog because they are afraid of dogs.
If your response your sense of insecurity is to go out and buy a Bully XL on impulse, you are making a mistake.
That’s okay. I live in a state where the main sponsor of banning assault weapons has gone out shooting the very same weapons after they got their nonsense bill passed.
Keep in mind it bans firearms with threaded barrels in other words we have to be deaf to train and use our firearms but she doesn’t.
I swear, we see this article every six fucking months as though its news and not an ad to sell more guns.
More liberals buying guns is a good thing. I don’t think universal gun ownership is a good thing, but it’s better than the clear power imbalance we have now
More liberals buying guns is a good thing.
more guns, more accidents, more violence. Maybe instead of guns, people should do something crazy like vote.
Alex Pretti had a gun. How did that work out?
About the same as Nicole Goode, who did not have a gun. It’s almost like his gun was an excuse they came up with after they executed him.
Keeping a glock in your glove box does not change your relationship with the police.
No, but if shit hits the fan in this country, it would be nice not to be completely helpless.
No but going to a protest with a slung rifle absolutely does. In a funny way the talking heads are right about the gun Pretti brought with him. They’re right about the wrong thing, but a concealed sidearm presents no message inherently by being concealed. CCW is for polite people in polite society. What we have now requires the same tactics the Panthers used, visible intimidation. A low ready or slung rifle is just as legal to carry as a pistol, but if there are 20 or 30 protesters carrying, ICE might consider not having a gun battle in the streets. And history shows that they tend to back down.
A low ready or slung rifle is just as legal to carry as a pistol
Depends on where you are. Open carry is illegal in my state.
What we have now requires the same tactics the Panthers used, visible intimidation.
And then Huey Newton, Malcolm X, and Fred Hampton lived happily ever after?
Activists being assassinated by the government should tell you what the people in power are actually scared of. (It’s armed, organized resistance rather than one-day protests and email campaigns)
The notion that simply parading around with guns made any of these civil rights leaders safer is empirically proven false by their government-sanctioned assassinations. They were not made bulletproof by carrying guns. They were never truly allowed to use these guns, as the stigma against firing on a police officer continues to be far higher than the stigma against a police officer firing on a civilian. And their overt display of gun ownership quickly became a rational that excused their executions, ultimately undermining their mission.
Take this further - to a degree of full militancy - and you end up with Hamas and Hezebollah. Organizations that have failed to rebut imperial militancy and have even become the rationale for imperial expansion.
You want to believe waving a gun in a cop’s face makes you safer because it’s an expedient and accessible solution. Guns are easy to get. Sporting one is an easy thing to do. But the reality is harder to swallow. You’re not Rambo. You’re not in the Vietcong. You’re not part of a well-organized militia movement of able bodied, adequately trained resistance fighters.
You’re not going to deter the entire federal bureaucracy by brandishing a gun.
I fucking can’t with you. I deleted a whole paragraph. What’s your fucking solution that’s so much better than exercising our rights?
And Nicole Good and countless other unarmed people. The point is that we are already at risk of being pointlessly murdered for exercising our first amendment rights, exercising our second amendment rights in the manner I described is not going to make us less safe.
What exactly were you trying to say? Do nothing? You just pointed out what you consider a flaw in my argument and provided no counter. Did you just want to dunk on me? What’s the point in that?
And Nicole Good and countless other unarmed people.
Owning a gun doesn’t make you bulletproof.
What exactly were you trying to say? Do nothing?
I laid out exactly what I think can be done in other posts. Community organizing and direct interference with ICE operations have been successful in saving lives and shutting down deployments across the country.
Stuffing a gun in your pocket and hallucinating self-defense scenarios is the same as doing nothing.
You’re putting words in my mouth. How are you going to shove a rifle in your pants? What hallucination are you talking about, people are being extra judiciously killed in the street. You’re saying to do nothing as far as I can tell.
They’ll buy a gun, do some basic training and never touch it again. Too bad they didn’t find this urgency when it was only brown people being targeted.
Dude shut up. It’s never gonna be enough for you, is it? “Oh well they picked up some garbage on the side of the road but DIDN’T SOLVE GLOBAL WARMING SO THEY ARE LIB SHITS!”
Oh someone joined a left leaning gun group and might want to start getting more involved? “FUCKEM I’M GONNA GATE KEEP THE REVOLUTION THEY ARE POSEURS THEY SHOULD MAKE THEIR OWN GROUP!”
So sorry some people are new to this or changing their mind and not doing something big and dramatic that looks exciting enough for you, even if they suddenly changed their minds and agreed with you 100% that’s not good enough they should’ve thought this way forever ago.
Freaking hamstringing your own movement because you hate the newbies? Don’t want to do the boring long work of permanent change? Just want to sit back and think of a communist commune Israel but don’t want to wash the dishes?
Let the people in, be welcoming, show them the ropes. Encourage people to practice with their gun instead of shitting on them. If you’re already in these groups, you should want your numbers to grow, not be a gatekeeping twat.
Pull your head out of your ass.
The .ml users are really out in force today working hard to not beat the allegations.
I’m convinced to get the .ml suffix you have to prove you’re, white, 14 years old, hate your liberal middle-class parents, and feel overwhelming resentment towards people who actually care about better outcomes because Mom didn’t let you get a tattoo of Lenin on your shoulder.
Letting liberals into leftist spaces halts progress. We end up needing to fight with them more than whatever it is we are protesting. All the stuff liberals call leftist infighting is us fending off liberals trying to invade our spaces and control the situation. We do NOT want the same things. Liberals want reform, which does not work.
And so guns are only for the hardcore progressives, or any conservative? Is that what’s happening here?
No, they have their own gun clubs they can join
Ok, well good luck with your care bear revolution, buddy.
Liberals know nothing about revolution, only colonization, which is what you are advocating for.
If you believe in something, and want to fight for it, your first priority should be trying to convince other people it’s a good idea. Your attitude does more harm than good; you’re incapable of thinking people can change their mind, because you’re incapable of changing yours.
It makes more sense to get people to like your idea than pushing them away, unless you think you’re going to do it with force.
And alienating people means you wouldn’t even be able to do that.
It makes more sense to get people to like your idea than pushing them away, unless you think you’re going to do it with force.
I’ve seen incels do this online for decades now. They’re not really looking for better outcomes, they want to feel that “normies” hate them so much that it validates all the hate and cynicism they feel. You can’t feel bad about not doing the actual hard things in life to organize and be liked by others if everyone else hates you and thinks you’re a monster, right?
It’s creating an environment of alienation so they can justify not wanting to change or help anyone.
Plus it keeps the US vs THEM mentality always at a forefront. Great for retention, bad for conversion.
I’m not alienating anyone, i would be willing to work with their organizations, but not to invite them into leftist spaces so they can neutralize our movements.
You quite literally just said that you don’t alienate anyone while describing how you alienate them.
Also, your shit attitude definitely alienates people. You’re the equivalent of what the Westboro Baptist Church does to Christianity, i.e. you’re a loud hateful prick that actively pushes people away from a group they want people to join by being an asshole.
For the sake of your own revolution, shut up.
They can form their own coalitions. Demanding membership in an organization you are not part of is infantile and always results in the organization failing. There was a reason The Black Panthers didn’t let white people or any other races in. But they worked with Latino groups, with Young Lords, with Young Patriots, etc but those groups fought specific causes.
The difference is that while you can’t change your race, you can change your political ideology, and if you want people to believe in your political ideology you have to actually let people into your little club. And not be a massive prick.
Or, what, you think the revolution is going to work with the seven people you personally agree with?
Take your tribalism and shove it.
For every person who wants to help that you sneer at online (because I know you couldn’t face them in reality) I will be working in the real world to help bring real people over to start working for better outcomes, secure in the knowledge that even if I can’t change the whole world and make everything better, I can reduce harm here and now and continue to push the needle towards a better world. I’ve been at it for years, and seeing cynical little shits on the internet whine and cry about seeing other people nurturing unity only makes me more committed.
You can just stay in that basement and whinge while real people do real things.
I can reduce harm
Liberals have claimed for decades they are harm reduction while somehow harm keeps growing. Keep deluding yourself. Liberals contribute to harm by keeping the wheels of facism greased up. They will accept milquetoast concessions by their party to expand ICE with reforms,. In the meantime nothing changes.
Yup, better not to do anything at all now.
“Buying a Gun” is next to nothing.
Buy a bullhorn and organize with your neighbors to scare ICE out of a hotel. Buy a camera and organize with your neighbors to tail ICE vehicles patroling your neighborhood, to keep your migrant neighbors safe. Buy masks and jackets that protect against tear gas, then park your cars in the detention center driveways so ICE can’t move people into these buildings easily.
There are people who are doing something. They are not the ones shopping at Walmart for their first glock.
It increases the chances that one of these ice dicks will get a taste of their own shit.
More Charlie Kirks have gotten got in the last year than ICE Agents.
That’s what they will do
that’s the point of owning a gun dude. you’re suppose to not want to touch it.
i own three hammers. how often do you think I’m using them? like once a year or two.
The idea is constant training so when you do use it muscle memory kicks in and not panic
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